Army List Workshop: Dark Elf Raiders


Here is another one for the inaugural day of Army List Workshop, this time a fun themed fantasy list that can still kick some serious tail. Don’t forget to check out Stelek’s Yes the Truth Hurts Blog for more list building goodness.


army1000Email in:


I didn’t manage to get to the tourney on saturday with my Orks, finals and all that kept me from getting everything finished on time. Bummer. Luckily, my store is doing a tourney every month so I should be good to go for January. They’re also holding a Fantasy tourney on a different weekend so I figured I’d get in on that action too.

I’m thinking of bringing Dark Elves (I would bring the Daemons but I do want a bit of a challenge 😉 ), particularly a build centered on Lokhir Fellheart and some Corsairs. I’m a big fan of squiddly face and after getting a Battalion I’ve got lots of Corsairs. So, any ideas?


Reply out:

Well, when you do get to play…comment how you did. 🙂

So, a raiding army is what you want.

From what I have gathered from the fluff, this is how I’d try to make a raiding army:

2000 Pts – Dark Elves Roster – Raiding Army

1 Lokhir Fellheart @ 250 Pts
Daring Leap; General; Merciless Slaver; Heavy Armour; Sea Dragon Cloak; Eternal Hatred
1 Helm of the Kraken @ [0] Pts
Causes Terror; Regenerate
1 Red Blades @ [0] Pts

10 Black Ark Corsairs @ 221 Pts
Slaver; Hand Weapon; Extra Hand Weapon; Light Armour; Sea Dragon Cloak; Eternal Hatred
1 Assassin @ [121] Pts
A Killer Not a Leader; Always Strike First; Hidden; Khainite; Hand Weapon; Extra Hand Weapon; Eternal Hatred; Poisoned Attacks; Scouts
1 Manbane @ [25] Pts

10 Black Ark Corsairs @ 221 Pts
Slaver; Hand Weapon; Extra Hand Weapon; Light Armour; Sea Dragon Cloak; Eternal Hatred
1 Assassin @ [121] Pts
A Killer Not a Leader; Always Strike First; Hidden; Khainite; Hand Weapon; Extra Hand Weapon; Eternal Hatred; Poisoned Attacks; Scouts
1 Manbane @ [25] Pts

1 Supreme Sorceress @ 355 Pts
Druchii Sorcery; Level 4 Upgrade; Hand Weapon; Eternal Hatred
1 Sacrificial Dagger @ [25] Pts
3 Null Talisman @ [45] Pts
1 Pearl of infinite Bleakeness @ [25] Pts

29 Dark Elf Warriors @ 361 Pts
Musician Mus; Standard Bearer Std; Hand Weapon; Spear; Light Armour; Shield; Eternal Hatred
1 Assassin @ [121] Pts
A Killer Not a Leader; Always Strike First; Hidden; Khainite; Hand Weapon; Extra Hand Weapon; Eternal Hatred; Poisoned Attacks; Scouts
1 Rune of Khaine @ [25] Pts
1 Lordling @ [13] Pts
Hand Weapon; Spear; Light Armour; Shield; Eternal Hatred
1 Banner of Cold Blood @ [15] Pts

1 Master (Battle Standard Bearer) @ 172 Pts
Hand Weapon; Lance; Pair of Repeater Handbows; Heavy Armour; Sea Dragon Cloak; Shield; Battle Standard Bearer; Eternal Hatred
1 Dark Steed @ [0] Pts
1 Gem of nightmares @ [25] Pts

10 Dark Elf Repeater Crossbowmen @ 110 Pts
Hand Weapon; Repeater Crossbow; Light Armour; Shield; Eternal Hatred

10 Dark Elf Repeater Crossbowmen @ 110 Pts
Hand Weapon; Repeater Crossbow; Light Armour; Shield; Eternal Hatred

1 Reaper Bolt Thrower @ 100 Pts
War Machine; Eternal Hatred; Repeater Bolt Thrower
2 Crew @ [0] Pts
Hand Weapon; Light Armour; Eternal Hatred

1 Reaper Bolt Thrower @ 100 Pts
War Machine; Eternal Hatred; Repeater Bolt Thrower
2 Crew @ [0] Pts
Hand Weapon; Light Armour; Eternal Hatred

Total Roster Cost: 2000

As you can see, there’s not a whole lot of anything out of character for a themed raiding army.

One Sea Witch (Sorceress).
One Captain (Fellheart).
One Mate (BSB).
Captain’s Bodyguard (Assassin).
Lots of ships crew (Spearmen).
Shooters (crossbowmen).
Boarders (Corsairs).
Ships guns (bolt throwers).

Nobody should want to engage your spearmen but if they do, there are several nasty surprises waiting for them. 😉

I hope this is what you were looking for.



Warhammer New Lizardmen Gallery 2008

Here is the most recent selection of images for the New Warhammer Lizardmen Army to be released in 2009.

And dont forget to check here WARHAMMER LIZARDMEN RULES PREVIEW for continually updated rumors as to the actual content of the new book


TTGN’s Top 10 Best Sci Fi Miniatures of 2008

Warhammer: New Lizardmen Rumors, and miniature Previews

A REALLY GREAT SELECTIONS OF Lizardman Army Book Rumors from Warseer

You can also click on either of the images to go to the preview Gallery.

Still the Old Cover, will update the new one when its available

Still the Old Cover, will update the new one when its available

The book is supposedly out in febuary 9th 2009. It is not known who is writing it.

New models:
– plastic Temple Guard, 10 per box, £12 / $25
– plastic Stegadon, 1 per box with options for all three variants, $40
– metal Kroxigor, 1 model per blister, $20
– metal Terradons, 1 model per blister, $17
– Barbed Razordon Hunting Party $25
– Scar Veteran wity army standard $15
– Tiktaq’To, Master of Skies $17
– Chakax, Eternity Warden $15

Blessed Spawnings
These seem to take on a bigger role in the list. It is not know how they will work, if taking them makes a unit more scarce or if it will be like Marks of Chaos in that it’s just an upgrade and doesn’t change if a unit is Core, Special or Rare.

Spawning of Huanchi: +1 WS and move through cover with no penalty
Spawning of Sotek:
Spawning of Chotec:
Spawning of Quetzl:
Spawning of Tlazcotl:
Spawning of Tepok:
Spawning of Tzunki:

Army-wide special rule – Cold-blooded
Rumoured to change significantly, though this is still unconfirmed. Supposedly they roll the same number of dice as everyone else for Ld tests (i.e. 2), but any double counts as Insane Courage and will be an auto-pass regardless of any other factors (modifiers, outnumbered by Fear, etc.).

Lore of the Old Ones
– Slanns only
– spells all of the high cost / high effect type

Magic items
Charm of the Jaguar Warrior is dropped


– speculated to get a spell lore of their own

Saurus Oldblood
– may be mounted on a Stegadon


Saurus Scar-Veteran
– may be mounted on a Stegadon

Skink Chief
– may be mounted on a Stegadon

Skink Priest
– may be mounted on an Engine of the Gods

Character mounts

Engine of the Gods (Skink Priest only)
– if it is anything like it was in the Lustria book it is a weaker Stegadon with a war machine-like weapon on top
– takes up an additional Hero choice

– any(?) character may ride a Stegadon
– takes up an additional Hero choice

There is much speculation on whether there will be additional core units (ranked skinks or skink fast cavalry), though nothing confirmed

Saurus Warriors
– 1 or 2 pts cheaper
– scaly skin save is rumoured to be going back to 5+, like it was in 5th edition

Skink Skirmishers
– can get Spawnings

Temple Guard
– cheaper
– can get Spawnings

Jungle Swarms


Saurus Cavalry
– 4 pts cheaper
– can get Spawnings

– new set of metal models (was rumoured to be plastic, but that appears to have been wrong)
– get light armour in addition to their scaly skin
– can get Spawnings

– new plastic model
– moved from Rare to Special

– new (metal) models

Cameleon Skinks

Salamander Hunting Packs
– moved from Rare to Special
– now use the breath weapon template instead of the artillery dice
– stats of the attack not known
– not known whether you can still form units of more than one pack (having a monsters and handlers unit with multiple monsters is a bit tricky ruleswise) or if you might, say, get 1-2 independant packs per Special unit


Ancient Stegadon
– somewhat altered stats compared to the regular Steggy
– has a different weapon than the bolt thrower the normal Steggy has

Barbed Razordon Hunting Party
– a new kind of dinosaur unit, also herded by skinks
– fires spikes that has a number of shots equal to the roll on an artillery dice, that roll to his using BS 4, not known if it ingores any of the normal to-hit modifiers
– when standing and shooting it gets two artillery dice worth of shots

Special characters

Lord Kroak (Slann)

Kroq-Gar (Saurus Lord)

Nakai the Wanderer (Kroxigor Hero(?))

Tenehauin (Skink Lord/Hero)

Tiktaq’To, Master of Skies (some kind of Skink on Terradon?)

Chakax, Eternity Warden (some kind of Saurus Temple Guard character?)

2 more unknown characters.

Rumoured rules
Often talked about are:
– Spawnings becoming more widespread and available to more units (like in the Sacred Spawning variant lists)
– Ranked Skink units (like in the Lustria book) and possibly with Kroxigors added (like in 5th edition)
– Skink Horned One Riders (like in the Lustria book)
– a separate Lore for Slann
– more mount options for Skink characters (like in 5th edition)

Below we have previews of the New Lizardman Kroxigor and New Lizardman Stegadon

Stegadon Preview




Podhammer Episode 30 – Warhammer 101

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Dave joins me this week to discuss some
of the fundamentals of Warhammer. We also discuss the Pilgramage and
the new Warriors of Chaos book.

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Warhammer Warriors of Chaos Rumors & Gallery

Here is the first round of rumors and pics from the upcoming Warriors of Chaos army book. Rumors and pics found on TTGN and Warseer (SPECIAL KUDOS TO AVIAN FROM WARSEER FOR THE COMPILATION.)

Based on stuff that may, or may not, be 100% true but from someone who went to GW HQ and purports to have learned this there…

In the upcoming rules (the book, not WD):
Chosen are a seperate unit slot from Warriors, and Chosen Knights have “stats to rape a blood knight.”
Normal chaos warriors are WS6 with 2 attacks, wearing chaos armour.
Plastic box sets for Knights, Hounds and Marauder Horsemen, all £12. 5 of the Knights and Marauders in there, unsure of Hounds, possibly 10.
Two new units in the list, one of which is a unit of semi-spawn chaos warriors. Can’t remember what the second unit was.

New models for Chosen, apparently very large and impressive.
Chosen Knights have lances, or a lance option.

Can’t remember anything else right now, but it made my mouth water at the thought.

The book is due in November 2008. It will focus on the mortal followers of the chaos gods, with more unit choices than currently, and next to no daemons. It will include Dragon Ogres, Shaggoths, Giants, Ogres and Trolls.

The name of the book is Warriors of Chaos, around 128 pages and writteen by Phil Kelly

New models in the first wave
– Plastic Chaos Knights (5)
– Plastic Marauder Horsemen (5)
– Plastic Warhounds (10)
– Metal Chosen Warriors with great weapons (assume two different boxes of 5, one with command)
– Metal Chaos Lord of Khorne on Jugger
– Metal Chaos Lord of Khorne on foot
– Metal Chaos Lord on Chaos Steed
– Metal Chaos Sorcerer of Nurgle
– Wulfric the Wanderer
– Sigvald the Magnificent

Coming up in febuary:
– Plastic Daemon Prince(!)

Spearhead box contains 36 minis and the army book:
-5 Knights
-5 Marauder Horsemen
-10 Warhounds
-10 Chosen
-6 metal characters (Khorne Lord on foot & Jugger, generic Lord on steed, Nurgle Sorcerer, Sigvald the Magnificent and Wulfric the Wanderer)

Battalion box is rumoured to contain:
-12 Warriors
-20 Marauders
-5 Marauder Horsemen
-10 Warhounds

There is supposedly a second wave due in the not too distant future, with models for the Forsaken, War Altar, a new plastic Chariots and possibly even more things.

How does this list combine with the recent Daemons of Chaos list and the Beast of Chaos list (due for an update in 2009)?
The new books are all stand-alone, so there will suppsedly be no option to use the other books. However, certain units and characters from the Beast and Daemon books are appearing in this one as well (ex: Daemon Princes, Chaos Trolls, Dragon Ogres…).

Army special rule
All units in the army can re-roll failed PANIC tests. This applies to all units and is a replacement of the old Mark of Chaos Undivided.

Marks of Chaos
– generally Marks appear to be getting cheaper and the effect of the same Mark varies more depending on which unit it is given to. So the Mark of Khorne might do very different things on a Chaos Lord compared to what it does on a Chaos Warrior or a Spawn.

Mark of Khorne
– Frenzy (though not for Giants)

Mark of Nurgle
– attacking models get a penalty of -1 WS and BS

Mark of Slaanesh
– Immune to Psychology
– Characters and Rare units also gain the Always Strike First rule

Mark of Tzeentch
– 6+ Ward save (or +1 to your Ward save if you have one already)
– Wizards also gain a +1 bonus to cast spells

Chaos Gifts
These are in ADDITION to the points a character can spend on magic items, very much like Vampire Powers work. Not know exactly what they do.

Eye of the Gods
There is apparently a table of chaos rewards that characters and units can get to roll on before or during the game. For example Chosen units supposedly start with a roll on this table, while characters supposedly get to roll on it after killing enemies in challenges and if they kill a Large Target.
2: Gain Stupidity (no extra effect if you have it already)
3-6: various boosts
7: No effect
8-10: various boosts
11: Gain Fear, or Terror if you already cause Fear
12: Stubborn and 4+ Ward save
It is not known if duplicate stat boosts stack. Effects last for the rest of the battle.

Chaos Magic
There will be separate lores for the mortal followers of Chaos, they will NOT use the Daemon lores from the Daemon book.

Lore of Slaanesh
-Not changed much from the Hordes of Chaos list

Lore of Tzeentch
#6 Unknown name, cast on 15+. Does 2D6 hits at 2D6 Strength. On an 11 or 12 (for Strength?) it “kills the unit” (wounds automatically with no save?)

Lore of Nurgle
No details


Chaos Lord
– some new metal models (a generic one on steed and a couple of Khornate ones)
– heaps of options

Exalted Sorcerer

Daemon Prince
– will (thankfully) remain more useful than Daemon Princes from the Daemonic Legion book


Exalted Champion

Aspiring Champion

– new metal model for a Sorcerer of Nurgle

Character mounts
– Chaos steed
– Daemonic Steed
– Juggernaut of Khorne
– Steed of Slaanesh
– Disk ofTzeentch
– Palanquin of Nurgle
– Manticore – takes up extra Hero choice if taken by a Hero
– Chaos Dragon – takes up extra Hero choice

Core units
– there was supposedly a rumoured cultist unit, but that appears to have been incorrect, or possibly mistaken for something else

Chaos Warriors
– presumably the boxed set stays the same for the moment
– all units get Chaos armour, not just Chosen
– normal Warriors get 2 Attacks (but are still “only” WS5)
– cheaper in the temporary list, unknown price in the book
– presumably all units can get a magic standard

– presumably the boxed set stays the same for the moment
– base cost 1 pt cheaper (not known if they get any more equipment as standard)
– still no option for Marks

Marauder Horsemen
– new plastic set of 5 models
– can get Marks of Chaos
– can re-roll pursuit rolls if they wish

– new plastic boxed set of 10 models
– only unit that does not count towards the minimum number of Core units in the army
– do not cause Panic in other units if they flee or are destroyed
– can by scaly skin (presumably 5+) or poisoned attacks for +3 pts / model

Special units

Chosen Warriors
– now a separate entry
– Weapon Skill 6 with 3 attacks each, otherwise similar to Warriors
– start the game with a roll on the Eye of the Gods table (sort of like Possessed in 40K)
– unknown which other improvements they get over the new improved Warriors
– new set of metal models with great weapons

Chaos Knights
– new plastic boxed set of 5 models
– 40 pts each, with stats equivalent to old Chosen Knights (i.e. 2 attacks, and chaos armour), though base S is now 4
– units start with magical weapons that also give them +1 Strength (i.e. 5 total) and may swap these for (non-magical) lances
– cause Fear
– there is no longer any Chosen knights, though normal knights get nastier since they (like the new Warriiors) have the profile of 6th edition Chosen

Chaos Chariot
– new plastic boxed set at some point
– cheaper (~100 pts)
– 2 per Special choice

Forsaken Warriors
– apparently a unit of Chaos Warriors that are on their way to getting a bit too many mutations for their own good
– Frenzied
– Movement 6
– D3+1 attacks base. In addition to this they get +1 attack for having two hand weapons and +1 attack while frenzied (so 4-6 A total per model)
– heavy armour only
– Otherwise quite similar to Warriors, and only slightly more expensive.
– They are human-sized guys and come on standard 25 mm square bases. They don’t skirmish.
– can be marked, though presumably the marks work slightly differently for them than they do for warriors (it would be pointless if the mark of Khorne gave them standard frenzy one more time, for example).

Chaos Ogres
– Get Chaos Armour
– Can be given Marks of Chaos

Chaos Trolls
– base cost 10 points cheaper
– If they regenerate 2 or more wounds in the same phase (?) they get a roll on the Eye of the Gods table
– have access to some upgrades (unknown which)

Dragon Ogres
– Can be given Marks of Chaos
– now get command options

Rare units

Chaos Giant
– can be given Marks of Chaos

– can get daemonic gifts(?)
– only take up 1 Rare choice

– still 1-2 per Rare
– Marks have supposedly changed a bit

– can be given Marks
– better stat line for essentially the same cost
– only take up a single Rare choice

Chaos War Shrine
– Quite similar to the VC Corpse Cart in that it is on a chariot base, but moves and fights like a monster. May not be joined by characters.
– In the shooting phase, any characters within 12″ must immediately issue a challenge if they are in combat and fight it. If they win they get to roll on the Gods table. Note that by this benefit from the Shrine, they can get a roll in the shoot phase and the combat phase if there are enough models to challenge. (details unclear)

Special characters

– 685 pts
– Mount of the Apocalypse lets him ignore difficult terrain
– there is only 1 version and he is still on his mount. As the Storm of Chaos is being glossed over by GW as more than a little bit silly, there will presumably be no mention of his failure in it.


Valkyre the Bloody, Bride of Khorne (female khornate Daemon Prince)

Kolek Suneater (Shaggoth)
– second-oldest Shaggoth
– Strength 8 with 6 attacks and a weapon that does D3 wounds
– several 8s for stats
– can call down a special lightning attack (details unknown)
– attracts lightning spells cast within 12″ of him

Sigvald (Slaaneshi mortal)
-has a mirror shield and can suffer from Stupidity due to looking at himself in it

Wolfrig the Wanderer (Undivided Marauder Hero)
– captain of a magical ship called the Seafang which he said around in. It basically allows him and a unit of Marauders to enter the battle from any table edge, similar to how Dwarf Miners work.

Throk, The Troll King (Troll Hero)
– WS5 S6 T5 W4 A5
– 175 pts
– makes Chaos Trolls a Core unit and lets them all use his Ld, regardless of range
– all monstrous units (Ogres, Trolls, Dragon Ogres) within 12″ can use his Ld (of 8), even if he is not the general AND they can also re-roll break tests
– his vomit attack (called Copious Vomit) does D6 hits at S6
– also has a one-use S5 breath weapon
– gets a roll on the Eye of the Gods table at the start of the game

Scyla, Spawn of Chaos
– an old khornate special characer from 5th edition
– re-release of existing model
– upgrade for a Spawn, but treated as a character

Vilitch the Curseling (Tzeentch)

Festus the Leechlord (Nurgle)

Stuff NOT in the new book
-any sort of skirmishing unit
-any sort of flying unit
-any kind of generic daemon unit
-any sort of item that allows you to take units from the daemon and/or beast books


Warhammer Fantasy New Lizardmen Rumors

Warhammer Fantasy Dark Elf Previews

Warhammer 40k Space Marine Previews

Podhammer 26 – Kermit Cast

This week I am joined by loyal listener and veteran general from the UK, Dan Heelan. Heres a run down of whats in this episode:

  • Warhammer news: Heaps of Chaos Mortal rumours
  • Topic of the Week: Dan is a long time Lizardmen general and he spills the beans on how to get the most out of these scaly reptiles. Check out the Pyramid Vault Lizardmen forum for more info

Another massive episode and this time 100% Warhammer related (no facebook or iPhones to be heard of)

Thanks for listening make sure you help the show by spreading the word

Next show is Podhammers 1 year anniversary special.

TWiW Episode 6 – Warhammer Dark Elves

Show Outline for Episode 6

Intro and Cast

Tim Gunther from the Drop Podcast and The Forge Podcast

Jeff Carroll from the other side of the world and Podhamer the Warhammer Fantasy Podcast

Andrew Sutton aka Stelek from DakkaDakka

Troy McCauley from The Samurai Gunslinger Blog.


News Items

Monsterpocalypse RuleBook Released in pdf

BattleLore and Memoir 44 Expansions announced

Armorcast releasing extensive line of muzzle flash extensions during Gen Con

Operation Frostbite Released to the Public

Battlefield Evolution: Pacific War now available for pre order

DISCUSSION TOPIC: 1 Fluffy Bunnies Vs WAAC’s

DISCUSSION TOPIC: 2 Warhammer Army Book Dark Elves